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253-404Dawg wrote:

@Ballz, Harris maxed out in high school, our 4 youngest backs have higher upsides than Harris. Hahahahahaha, OK Bro!! He peeked in high school is the most dumbest doog evaluation ever, and honestly someone who has never played sports or been around sports. It’s very rare a kid peaks or can’t improve at the age of 18. But his high school peak is better than everything we got!

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If you could morph the very best attribute of every RB on the roster into one person, that entity couldn’t hold Harris jock strap.

Are you trolling us with that statement?

Ballz wrote:

Chest wrote:

Avalos wasn’t that great. It’s bad for us because Oregon could upgrade there.

Their D was good in 2019 but they still gave up 27+ points in a handful of games.

They did lose a few guys but their 2020 D was not good but should have been.

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Nobody good wants the job Chest. Their defense next season will be putrid no matter who they hire.

Every Pac-12 OC wanted Avalos to stay. At best his defenses are jag’s

Risk is Mario can recruit and Oregon can/will pay up if they want to go after a big name DC, and that guy takes the talent they are bringing in (which they are like it or not) coaches them up and then they have something.

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DawgDaze71 wrote:

LSU got blown out by Mike Leach coming off a national title run. There are a lot of dumb ass defensive coordinators at top schools who are behind Jimmy Lake’s curve. That’s why Bama wanted him as their DC. If you can get the right combination of elite DB’s combined with Jimmy Lake’s coaching and an elite pass rush, you can still dominate any offense in college football. Defense wins championships.

Yup. See Florida in the SEC Championship game. Great offense but Bama focuses on Defense as much as offense.

UW isn’t going to neglect offense but Jimmy’s recruiting focus is clearly skewed towards Defense. I don’t get the slavish love or Oregon considering they don’t run the high octane offense of Chip Kelly anymore.

Another thing I see is this notion that Oregon is recruiting WAY better than everyone else. The numbers say UW and USC are right there and a couple of players busting or overachieving changes the recruiting class.

I saw Penis Sewell claiming Oregon was going to win a National Championship within 5 years. Why did he and 4 other chumps opt out then when they had a chance to do it this year? It’s because kids that go to Oregon are about themselves more than the typical team. They can’t wait to leave where the UW has a bunch of guys coming back because they actually like the team.

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Other than Cade, who came back that that was going to be (and still will be) a day 3/UDA NFL draft pick?

Part of Jimmy hopefully taking the next step is we have guys leave every year early b/c they are Day 1 top 10 day 2 difference maker dudes.

Nip8 wrote:

Next year will be fine with all the returning starters but after that this program is fucked unless:
A) Jimmy starts valuing job performance over friendship.
B) Jimmy gets over his Petersen driven arrogance that thinks this coaching staff can outcoach/outdevelop more talented teams and win.

I’m not confident either one happens.

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Will Harris dream is to get back and one day be coach at his Alma Mater USC

Are we not sure he’s a double agent for them? In 3 years here who has he pulled? You can see where this is going DB wise like watching a slow moving car crash.

If not next year, then the following one we can put to bed that not giving up 35 ppg streak we have going. Then what is UW twitter going to be able to trumpet?

GoDawgs91 wrote:

Ballz wrote:

Those motherfuckers totally waited until their recruiting class was signed to fire him. Hopefully JD Coffey asks to be released from his NLI and gives UW another chance.

That’s pretty awesome for Sark. I like seeing people get their shit together, beat their addiction, and get a chance to redeem themselves. Sark left UW for his dream job at USC so I never had any hate for him. Looks like Sark won’t be going to Oregon like some people were afraid of. I can root for Sark to have success at Texas.

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Sark leaving UW was the only thing I liked about him at UW. I hated him for going 34-29. I hated him cause of all the stuff he did off the field which his former players were telling me about. I hated him cause in five years he never once competed for the conference title.

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He was playing peak Stanford and Oregon during that time which was a mother.

Care to elaborate on any of the off the field stuff from his former players?

GoDawgs91 wrote:

Win the Pac-12 is the expectation. With 20 of 22 starters back, with the blue chip ratio still pretty high and now they will be upper class I expect a Pac-12 title.

Anything less I’ll see this year as a failure unless it’s like an 11-1 or something weird like that. This 2021 team should be 2016 level great.

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No way will this 2021 team be on par with 2016 unless 10 guys pop of 22 starters next year.

2016 team is better at all 3 levels on D (safety/corner comparison, ilb, Vita/Greg lol)

On Offense 2016 is better at rb, wr, ol, and even at best at TE/QB as it stands today.

Must Must Must win the North with home schedule and road games against Beavs, Buffs, Arizona and Stanford (although against Tree it is a loss until otherwise proven) for Jimmy and Recruiting.

Hop has one recruit coming in next year, and based on what is returning on this roster, they will be at or near the bottom of the Pac-12 for 3rd straight year.

If we had the booster(s) the team down south has, they would let the AD know the money was there (ala after 70-21) to make a change and I hope Jen would make the right business decision as she did with Romar.

I like Hopkins, but there is something really wrong inside the program, and even though he is going to blow out some assistants to try and right the ship, it is really just a matter of WHEN he is replaced not IF

This looks like Sumlin at Arizona where he was dead man walking. That’s where UW Men’s BB is at.

huskyfan wrote:

Will give it a C minus without Huard would be a D or less way to many 3 star players

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Fair grades and where I am at also.

I could see this if you brought in a new coach and staff ala when Pete came over from Boise and had 2 months to pull/keep the class together, but this was a underwhleming class to say the very least. Taking 3 boom/bust guys with limited football expereince, no other offers, etc is extremely risky when the class only has 15 guys in it to start.

2022 class must be top 15 or he is going to be in deep trouble when these classes are juniors and seniors.

They better learn to be zoom warriors and get these kids sold on coming here sight unseen in terms of campus visits as there aren’t any official ones allowed until mid/end of April and you can push that out to at least June at the earliest. Problem for us is by then many kids will have committed and convinced themselves of their decisions.

Really good day for the Dawgs !!!

I think we bring back 10 of 11 starters on offense, and if Mcgrew or Pleasant comes back that would mean all 11 (and imo the best back is Davis) if they don’t.

For 1st time in 5 years, offense should be able to help defense out early in year buy getting into the high 20’s low 30’s until defense gets it’s feet under them.

Ballz: How can you actually beleive this quote.

“But I can’t think of any other position group where the talent there isn’t good enough to beat anybody in the country once that talent is developed and has veteran experience.”

In addition to Safety and ILB, add rb, cb, te’s, and maybe OL development.

I realize it’s hard to gauge anything from this season, but based on what we have coming back and ?’s at so may positions this team is not head and shoulders above any of the following teams in the conference: Stanford, UO, SC, UCLA, Utah, ASU, let alone the bluebloods who would name the score on us if they wanted.

LiberalArtsDawg wrote:

lol. Who should pay money to watch UW play an FCS team? That ticket isn’t even worth 10$

And no one goes to see the hyrdo plane races. They could probably switch to more flashback moments on the jumbotron or something.

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My ideal would be a full house (or darn near it) for any game at UW. Again we get 7 chances a year.

It is a red flag when you essentially can’t give the tickets away to watch them play.

For the people on this board we’d rather see the flashbacks then Hydros but we are not the customers UW is trying to reach. Vast majority of us will be there no matter what.

I just get tired of people blaming the AD for a problem that appears more and more to be terminal which is Husky Football is (or has) become Marinerized where we don’t have a strong and large enough fan base to consistently support a 70k stadium and that sucks.

I will say the AD’s tagline of “Greatest Setting….” should be taken out back and shot as it’s embarassing to see more games than not, 5 minutes b4 kick the team runs out to 20-30k empty seats.

Chest wrote:

The scheduling is tough. Most schools nowadays do not want to do home and homes.

Missing Michigan was a really tough break.

However, you have to work around it and make the game an experience.

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And you just hit the nail on the head.

The game IS the experience. Two minute hydro races, or Chevron having a student throw a pass into the cutout for some gas money does not bring anyone to the game, and if they do those gimmicks get old and boring really quick.

The cost of tickets for the OOC cupcakes is awful, but you can go on stub hub or any other platform and get them for a quarter of face value and it’s still not working.

UW did a flash sale when Eastern played here a couple of years and offered them for $10.00 to former season ticket holders and it still drew flies. When there are only 7 home games a year to see the hometown college football team a year with a population of 4.5 million people within a hours drive for a get in the door price of a movie and popcorn or a pre-covid dine in meal above fast food and you still struggle with attendance that goes way beyond the AD and gameday experience.

The reason

Nip8 wrote:

I didn’t say we had a half full stadium in 2016. I said there were numerous empty seats. And the alarming part is many of the empty seats were among your Tyee supporters. Was due to 1) awful game times 2) awful competition. I said we are TRENDING towards half full stadiums. The older supporters are drifting away. It is critical for UW to start attracting a younger crowd. You are not going to do that with RTDB and scheduling North Dakota and Sacramento State. Fans want value for their entertainment dollar. I stand by my statement of winning is not enough. That works in Tuscaloosa and at Clemson because there aren’t other options. Seattle is filled with options.

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In 2016 we had 43k season ticket holders. 5 years later after the best run in the last 20 years we more are less had the same. Then b/c of covid 1/3rd of season ticket holders wanted their money back after it being gone for 6 months (i.e sunk money) so as of today our season ticket base us 31k.

Obviously alot of them will come back, but not all.

I see it every year at the stadium. A couple thousand grey hairs time out, and we are either not replacing them, or if they did are people who are there for entertainment only (Marinerization) and are last there, first to leave.

Here’s where the program is at crowdwise. If it’s not a big name OOC, Cougs, Ducks, SC then the student section is 1/2 full and empty by the end, and at kick off there is 10-15k empty seats, sometimes they fill in sometimes not. Then at beginning of 3rd quarter another 5-10k people who don’t come back.

Anyone who blames the AD for this are just trying to find a strawman or shift the blame. If Jen Cowen (or any AD in college football) has the secret sauce to stop the decline of young people who have grown up not watching tv or sports, and have spent their whole lives looking down at their phones which is their form of entertainment then instead of making 750k like she is, she could add a 3/4/5 in front of the 7 tomorrow and go work at 5-10 old line media companies.

Chest wrote:

Daze, running backs have to make guys miss. Its the most important attribute of the running back.

OL blocking is the least of our worries here.

The backs who got all the carries are bottom half of Pac-12 backs and maybe bottom third honestly.

Plus we weren’t running to the outside at all.

Our OL graded out pretty well according to PFF.

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Most important part for the RB (after not fumbling)is to get thru the first level. After that then making guys miss in the 2nd level.

We ran much better outside the tackles when our te’s and Wr’s could get involved but as you said not nearly often enough. Between the tackles was not good, but against 8 man boxes success will be very limited unless you have elite backs and very elite OL.

Doogs will tell you a four man rb rotation is great. When you have 4 rb’s you have zero. I don’t understand not using Cam more, and obviously Newton was in the major doghouse. We will be better off if both seniors move on, but suspect they will be back.

Could not agree more. UCLA ran on Stanford yesterday w/ out DTR like it was a pregame practice.

Our guys are big up front and lean on other teams well, but I don’t see them moving the pile and winning the los.

Huff can recruit, but he is running out of time to prove the development part.

These guys were recruited to be run blockers, and at least this year they were far better in Pass Pro.

Ballz wrote:

And that’s why they’ve lost two easily winnable games against Oregon the last two times they played them. The Oregon game needs to be treated the same way as the Apple Cup. The coaches are not getting enough of our players to understand Oregon is their #1 most hated rival. They come to Husky stadium, beat you because they wanted it more in the 4th quarter, and then they lounge around in your stadium having a photoshoot and posing with “dubs down” hand signs. I don’t even care if you’re from California and you have other friends from California who play for Oregon. You hate those bitches every second you are a member of this program. Keith Taylor and his ZERO career interceptions will not be missed after that tweet. Total loser mentality. Jimmy needs to give the rest of the team a reality check and a history lesson on this rivalry and what it means to the former players and fans. I know a lot of the players already get it, but some obviously don’t.

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They don’t call it “Washington Hate Week” in Oregon for nothing.

If UW fans and program don’t match the level of intensity and hatred for Oregon they have for us, then get ready to enjoy another 20 years of getting our asses kicked by them both on and off the field.

GoDawgs91 wrote:

Given what we saw this year and given what we’ve seen for years among certain coaches does anyone realistically expect next year to be a good class?

This staff got exposed in recruiting and now with Oregon winning their second straight conference title it’s going to be that much more difficult.

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This is major canary in coal mine and maybe Sonics can shed more light/hope on this, but on campus visits are off thru April and at a minimum won’t be back until end of June imo.

With us apparently needing so vitally BFL and the in-face on campus visits, why by the time it opens up the dye has been allready cast and we are looking up at Oregon, SC, Utah, ASU with the better classes b/c we are terrible recruiters both in person and in being zoom warriors?

GoDawgs91 wrote:

Ballz wrote:

Pac-12 gonna Pac-12. Oregon da fake champs. What was that they were saying about UW claiming fake championships?

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Oh but they’ll claim it’s legit cause they won on the field. Problem with arguing with morons is you’ll never win.

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It’s legit because it will be in the record books, and Oregon can flash/sell their Pac-12 Conf Champ Ring (and probably a Fiesta or Rose Bowl one as well) to recruits which is what matters.

Fact they got it this way will only matter to UW fans who will bitch/cry about how unfair it is. No one else will care.

Woof wrote:

There’s a thread on HH about the future roster composition and how the roster is only at 85 scholarships after the new signees and that’s including Cade and Kirkland. That means they could have conceivably signed 5-6 more players in anticipation of offseason attrition. Terrible roster management by Lake. We turned away or stopped recruiting 4* players Schuster, Cardwell, and Wynden because we were “full” but we’re going to end up handing over scholarships to a bunch of walkons.

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I think next year’s number (Pre-Covid so this could all be bunk) was similiar to this one, so imo they are going to hold those spots so the 2022 class can be more normal in size 20 ish.

DawgDaze71 wrote:

This is the schizophrenia of UW fandom rearing it’s head.

I think a rational person would say

A team coming off a 5 loss season in which the HC steps down and new OC and TE coach is hired probably has some work to do to stabilize things. Then Covid hits removing a key component of UW recruiting which is the on campus visit (UW campus is beautiful). Yet we expected kids with a lot of offers to commit?

Petersen’s first class was ho-hum. He flipped Baker but most of the class was basic yet those guys over achieved

Jimmy is troll and mean that with nothing but love. The RTDB stuff how he handles the media. He doesn’t lie but he loves the art of deception. He hasn’t lied about playing the best players. Kevin Thompson probably was the guy until he got hurt DMo was next. Didn’t matter than Sirmon was the senior player. Alex Cook wasn’t getting it done..yanked him and started playing Molden and Gordon. Asa wasn’t bringing like they wanted ..Cam got for a bit.

This season was exhibition and we needed see a staff committed to the best 11 guys and I’ve got little doubts that recruiting will improve with the return of on campus visits. Negative recruiting will stop because we all know the UW had the best winning percentage in the North. So Jimmy and John Don did their jobs

We sound entitled.

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Peterson got here in December so had 2 months to get his class together. Lake had all year.

When you are starting with only 15 spots to begin with, the idea you are taking fliers on upwards of 20% of the class as either boom/bust guys is really risky to me (others might call it lazy, but I don’t think our staff is that).

2022 class has to be close to a home run to cover what yesterday’s class wasn’t. So far the 2 guys he has is a good start.