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FCS Transfer QB. lol
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Nevermind, it’s just some FCS transfer QB from Sac State. Nothing to see here. The season can’t get here soon enough.
I now understand Joey Thomas’ tweet when it said “Make a STATEment” in reference to Sac STATE. Jesus Christ.
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Do they really think we’re supposed to be excited about this? Holy fuck this is the worst offseason ever. The team better fucking dominate this season to make this shitty offseason worth it. You know shit is bad if I start bitching about it.
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He’s backup insurance if Sirmon gets hurt.
Fuck us for not getting Costello or even JT Daniels.
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Honestly at this point I agree with Ballz, let the season come before we keep signing mid 3*’s hopefully the season is a success and we can change the narrative. Because at this point the off season has been depressing.
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Sure Costello and Daniels are better but Daniels is not coming here with Sam coming.
There are a lot of positives with Thomson
He is mature – 7th year out of highschool with 2 years redshirting for injuries.
One projection of FCS AllAmerican behind Trey Lance who is really good
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2020-preseason-all-americans-ajaj
Putting up good numbers last year against BCS competition.
ASU
Kevin Thomson 32-50 263 40 1 1
Fresno State 22-41 233 47 3 0
Troy Taylor, Utah’s previous OC and Brownings Highschool Coach is the head coach of Sac State – so I think he got good coaching.
Big Sky Offensive Player of the Year last season
He provides a very solid alternative – if Sirmon, Morris or Garbers don’t step up.
The greatest unknown, and prospective weakness, for UW this season is QB. I think Thomson provides a real downside floor for the QB position and at the same time real upside potential.
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more from Athlon
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/fcs-football-ranking-ten-best-returning-quarterbacks-2020
#2 qb
The Big Sky Offensive Player of the Year beats opponents with his arm (3,216 yards, 27 TDs) and legs (619 yards, 12 TDs). A fearless competitor, he led Sac State to three consecutive wins over nationally-ranked opponents Eastern Washington, Montana State, and Montana.
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It’s an incredibly stupid move. He’s instantly the least talented QB on the roster because of his weak arm. They have four weeks of Fall camp to figure out who the starter is going to be. FOUR FUCKING WEEKS! That’s it! They’re not getting Spring ball. Those practices are gone and not getting bumped to July.
Before, they were set to split the reps three ways between three really talented QB’s which was ideal. Now they throw this JAG in there and he takes reps away from the more talented guys with way more upside. He’s not going to be the starter because he sucks. So all he does is take extremely important practice reps away from whoever the starter is going to be.
The QB position is different. More competition is not always a good thing. Especially if you’re wasting reps on FCS Jake Browning when you have a guy as talented as Jacob Sirmon right in front of you. It’s so stupid. And you can miss me with the “everybody is bringing in transfer QB’s” bullshit. Nobody with a QB depth chart as talented as UW’s is bringing in a fucking FCS transfer. You don’t bring in a QB transfer who is less talented than the guys you already have. It’s counterproductive to the fucking goal which is having an NFL talent at QB performing at a high level because that’s what the fuck it takes to win at the highest level of college football.
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It’s an incredibly stupid move. He’s instantly the least talented QB on the roster because of his weak arm. They have four weeks of Fall camp to figure out who the starter is going to be. FOUR FUCKING WEEKS! That’s it! They’re not getting Spring ball. Those practices are gone and not getting bumped to July.
Before, they were set to split the reps three ways between three really talented QB’s which was ideal. Now they throw this JAG in there and he takes reps away from the more talented guys with way more upside. He’s not going to be the starter because he sucks. So all he does is take extremely important practice reps away from whoever the starter is going to be.
The QB position is different. More competition is not always a good thing. Especially if you’re wasting reps on FCS Jake Browning when you have a guy as talented as Jacob Sirmon right in front of you. It’s so stupid. And you can miss me with the “everybody is bringing in transfer QB’s” bullshit. Nobody with a QB depth chart as talented as UW’s is bringing in a fucking FCS transfer. You don’t bring in a QB transfer who is less talented than the guys you already have. It’s counterproductive to the fucking goal which is having an NFL talent at QB performing at a high level because that’s what the fuck it takes to win at the highest level of college football.
He’s insurance. Sirmon/Morris might transfer before the season. Then he’d be the backup.
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It’s an incredibly stupid move. He’s instantly the least talented QB on the roster because of his weak arm. They have four weeks of Fall camp to figure out who the starter is going to be. FOUR FUCKING WEEKS! That’s it! They’re not getting Spring ball. Those practices are gone and not getting bumped to July.
Before, they were set to split the reps three ways between three really talented QB’s which was ideal. Now they throw this JAG in there and he takes reps away from the more talented guys with way more upside. He’s not going to be the starter because he sucks. So all he does is take extremely important practice reps away from whoever the starter is going to be.
The QB position is different. More competition is not always a good thing. Especially if you’re wasting reps on FCS Jake Browning when you have a guy as talented as Jacob Sirmon right in front of you. It’s so stupid. And you can miss me with the “everybody is bringing in transfer QB’s” bullshit. Nobody with a QB depth chart as talented as UW’s is bringing in a fucking FCS transfer. You don’t bring in a QB transfer who is less talented than the guys you already have. It’s counterproductive to the fucking goal which is having an NFL talent at QB performing at a high level because that’s what the fuck it takes to win at the highest level of college football.
He’s insurance. Sirmon/Morris might transfer before the season. Then he’d be the backup.
I tend to agree that’s his only place. But I more agree with Ballz just seems like the staff and plan is disorganized.
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This is probably a stretch, but is it possible they wanted a grad transfer QB for 2020 so they don’t have an established starter next year when Huard gets to campus?
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It’s an incredibly stupid move. He’s instantly the least talented QB on the roster because of his weak arm. They have four weeks of Fall camp to figure out who the starter is going to be. FOUR FUCKING WEEKS! That’s it! They’re not getting Spring ball. Those practices are gone and not getting bumped to July.
Before, they were set to split the reps three ways between three really talented QB’s which was ideal. Now they throw this JAG in there and he takes reps away from the more talented guys with way more upside. He’s not going to be the starter because he sucks. So all he does is take extremely important practice reps away from whoever the starter is going to be.
The QB position is different. More competition is not always a good thing. Especially if you’re wasting reps on FCS Jake Browning when you have a guy as talented as Jacob Sirmon right in front of you. It’s so stupid. And you can miss me with the “everybody is bringing in transfer QB’s” bullshit. Nobody with a QB depth chart as talented as UW’s is bringing in a fucking FCS transfer. You don’t bring in a QB transfer who is less talented than the guys you already have. It’s counterproductive to the fucking goal which is having an NFL talent at QB performing at a high level because that’s what the fuck it takes to win at the highest level of college football.
It is absolutely not an incredibly stupid move. It is prudent given:
1. Jacob Sirmon has potential but has done nothing at the college level – it was terrible not to give him more playing time last year – incomprehensible to me – but it would be foolish to have the season hang on an unproven commodity or two freshman qbs (redshirt or otherwise) when the rest of the team is so strong.
2. Transfer protection – but someone that was not affected by Sam coming next year.
3. He is a really, really good runner and scrambler – which could really help in the red zone and on 3rd down – as he can run the option well. Even if he is only a situational red zone QB it would be a big help.
4. After watching film he is a real competitor with a lot of experience. He has played in a lot of systems and this will be his 7th college season.
5. His arm is pretty good and not as weak as you and others are making it out to be. Frankly, it is better than Brownings in terms of strength and as Luke Huard his old OC said – he can make all the throws.
6. I think with his experience, mobility, and running ability, and yes his passing ability he can really win the startomg job. The defense this year is off the hook and I think the running game will dominate, we need a QB that is not going to make mistakes and make good decisions. A lot of the passing can be play option off the running game and Thomson will hurt you there as well as the fact he will run for first downs and minimize blitzing because he is a master of the QB draw.
7. He is a Washington kid fired up to come home.
8. As alluded to – QB is the biggest potential weakness in this team – and is the position that limits this teams upside. I watched some FCS action but also his games against ASU and Fresno State – he looked good against that level of competition putting up very respectful numbers with a team (Sacramento State) that was clearly inferior talent wise, especially the offensive line which was consistently overpowered, so Thomson was throwing on the run while trying to evade tacklers.
I hear you on reps with a curtailed summer camp but that also argues for having an experienced QB on hand to give you a good chance of winning against Michigan.
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It’s an incredibly stupid move. He’s instantly the least talented QB on the roster because of his weak arm. They have four weeks of Fall camp to figure out who the starter is going to be. FOUR FUCKING WEEKS! That’s it! They’re not getting Spring ball. Those practices are gone and not getting bumped to July.
Before, they were set to split the reps three ways between three really talented QB’s which was ideal. Now they throw this JAG in there and he takes reps away from the more talented guys with way more upside. He’s not going to be the starter because he sucks. So all he does is take extremely important practice reps away from whoever the starter is going to be.
The QB position is different. More competition is not always a good thing. Especially if you’re wasting reps on FCS Jake Browning when you have a guy as talented as Jacob Sirmon right in front of you. It’s so stupid. And you can miss me with the “everybody is bringing in transfer QB’s” bullshit. Nobody with a QB depth chart as talented as UW’s is bringing in a fucking FCS transfer. You don’t bring in a QB transfer who is less talented than the guys you already have. It’s counterproductive to the fucking goal which is having an NFL talent at QB performing at a high level because that’s what the fuck it takes to win at the highest level of college football.
It is absolutely not an incredibly stupid move. It is prudent given:
1. Jacob Sirmon has potential but has done nothing at the college level – it was terrible not to give him more playing time last year – incomprehensible to me – but it would be foolish to have the season hang on an unproven commodity or two freshman qbs (redshirt or otherwise) when the rest of the team is so strong.
2. Transfer protection – but someone that was not affected by Sam coming next year.
3. He is a really, really good runner and scrambler – which could really help in the red zone and on 3rd down – as he can run the option well. Even if he is only a situational red zone QB it would be a big help.
4. After watching film he is a real competitor with a lot of experience. He has played in a lot of systems and this will be his 7th college season.
5. His arm is pretty good and not as weak as you and others are making it out to be. Frankly, it is better than Brownings in terms of strength and as Luke Huard his old OC said – he can make all the throws.
6. I think with his experience, mobility, and running ability, and yes his passing ability he can really win the startomg job. The defense this year is off the hook and I think the running game will dominate, we need a QB that is not going to make mistakes and make good decisions. A lot of the passing can be play option off the running game and Thomson will hurt you there as well as the fact he will run for first downs and minimize blitzing because he is a master of the QB draw.
7. He is a Washington kid fired up to come home.
8. As alluded to – QB is the biggest potential weakness in this team – and is the position that limits this teams upside. I watched some FCS action but also his games against ASU and Fresno State – he looked good against that level of competition putting up very respectful numbers with a team (Sacramento State) that was clearly inferior talent wise, especially the offensive line which was consistently overpowered, so Thomson was throwing on the run while trying to evade tacklers.
I hear you on reps with a curtailed summer camp but that also argues for having an experienced QB on hand to give you a good chance of winning against Michigan.
What are you his dad? This is the same exact thing as playing Aaron Fuller over Puka Nacua. It’s EXPERIENCE versus TALENT. You bring in a FAR LESS TALENTED transfer QB to potentially play him over more talented guys simply because they have no experience YET and he does. Experience doesn’t fucking matter! In college football, TALENT wins. You put the most talented guy on the roster on the fucking field and if he’s not getting it done you move down the list until you find a QB who can get it done. But you always start with the most talented guy and go from there. That’s what all these blue blood programs do. Clemson had Kelly Bryant who was a returning starter and a winner for them and they benched him for true Freshman Trevor Lawrence because Lawrence is more talented. You play the best talent and hope it works out. The most talented guy has the most upside and that upside raises the ceiling of what your team can accomplish.
Besides, how the fuck is Sirmon or anybody else supposed to get experience if you don’t play them? It’s this fucking retarded paradox of “well this guy has no experience because we haven’t fucking played him yet”. Between Sirmon, Morris, and Garbers there’s no fucking way we don’t have a good QB. The chances of ALL of them sucking is so fucking small it’s not worth bringing in this JAG “with experience” and taking reps away from them in Fall camp.
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It is not the same thing as playing Fuller over Nacua. I could not agree more than Nacua and the other receivers should have played over the more experienced players. BUT wide receiver is not QB, not anywhere close in terms of realtime judgment, analysis and decision making. An inexperienced QB can cost you turnovers especially interceptions, costly sacks and missed receivers, etc. Your hypothesis about talent over experience applies to every position except QB.
We just don’t know about Sirmon? Clearly there are some doubts in the coaching staff. As I said before it was criminal he did not get playing time last year besides mop up duty. It was incomprehensible for him not to have. But the sad fact is that he didn’t and experience at QB matters like no other position and its not close.
The Trevor Lawrence comparison is ridiculous – Trevor Lawrence is a future number one overall NFL pick that is just a beast in terms of size and athleticism. We don’t have anyone close to Trevor Lawrence.
I hope and pray Sirmon is the QB, but no one knows that, and yes he should have played – I am angry about that as you are but having his first start against Michigan is not a recipe for success.
Again look at this team, potentially with good inside linebacker play as good as any defense we have had recently with the possibility of being better because of having a real consistent pass rush that does not necessitate unduly blitzing. Especially way overusing the cornerback blitz.
With Davis and Newton our running game will be strong. Good defense and rushing can lead this team to winning the conference. A lot of mistakes and turnovers at QB is the biggest risk. Those terrible turnovers against Utah and Oregon that Eason made cost us those games and Haener’s interception for a TD cost us the Cal game the year before.
And as I said in my earlier post, Thomson even if he was only used situationally to get better production in the red zone as he is such a good runner maintaining the threat of the pass instead of being one dimensional in the wildcat — would make him a worthwhile pickup. Because God knows this team needs to improve their red zone and short yardage production.
The more I see of Thomson the more I like him, he is ulta-competitive and a fiery leader. He is a great runner and his passing is a lot better than people are giving him credit for. Only 9 interceptions in the last two years with 35 tds and a passer rating around 140 – pretty close to Eason’s of last year. Indeed, his numbers of last season are marginally better than Eason’s in yards and td passes with the same number of intercepts and the bonus of 600 plus yards of rushing.. Yeah I know lower competition but Thomson really did not have much talent around him at all, especially, on the offensive line and led his team to a conference championship and a quarterfinal berth.
An experienced QB that minimizes mistakes, helps improve red zone production, and helps keep the sticks moving with his feet could be what this team needs to win a conference championship as the rest of the pieces are in place with UW’s team this year.
And the other fact staring us and Sirmon in the face is Sam is coming and will likely start from day one. So winning this season takes precedence over development.
I really hope Jacob steps up and I am hoping for him, but some added insurance against injury and transfer with a unique QB like Thomson is prudent and wise.
and then there is this from NFL Draft Diamonds:
Kevin Thomson from Sacramento State is one of the best dual-threat quarterbacks in the 2021 NFL Draft. He can crush you with his feet and has wheels for a quarterback. He also is on pace to break tons of records at Sacramento State in 2020. Keep an eye on this kid because the former UNLV recruit is ballin in the FCS.
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It is not the same thing as playing Fuller over Nacua. I could not agree more than Nacua and the other receivers should have played over the more experienced players. BUT wide receiver is not QB, not anywhere close in terms of realtime judgment, analysis and decision making. An inexperienced QB can cost you turnovers especially interceptions, costly sacks and missed receivers, etc. Your hypothesis about talent over experience applies to every position except QB.
We just don’t know about Sirmon? Clearly there are some doubts in the coaching staff. As I said before it was criminal he did not get playing time last year besides mop up duty. It was incomprehensible for him not to have. But the sad fact is that he didn’t and experience at QB matters like no other position and its not close.
The Trevor Lawrence comparison is ridiculous – Trevor Lawrence is a future number one overall NFL pick that is just a beast in terms of size and athleticism. We don’t have anyone close to Trevor Lawrence.
I hope and pray Sirmon is the QB, but no one knows that, and yes he should have played – I am angry about that as you are but having his first start against Michigan is not a recipe for success.
Again look at this team, potentially with good inside linebacker play as good as any defense we have had recently with the possibility of being better because of having a real consistent pass rush that does not necessitate unduly blitzing. Especially way overusing the cornerback blitz.
With Davis and Newton our running game will be strong. Good defense and rushing can lead this team to winning the conference. A lot of mistakes and turnovers at QB is the biggest risk. Those terrible turnovers against Utah and Oregon that Eason made cost us those games and Haener’s interception for a TD cost us the Cal game the year before.
And as I said in my earlier post, Thomson even if he was only used situationally to get better production in the red zone as he is such a good runner maintaining the threat of the pass instead of being one dimensional in the wildcat — would make him a worthwhile pickup. Because God knows this team needs to improve their red zone and short yardage production.
The more I see of Thomson the more I like him, he is ulta-competitive and a fiery leader. He is a great runner and his passing is a lot better than people are giving him credit for. Only 9 interceptions in the last two years with 35 tds and a passer rating around 140 – pretty close to Eason’s of last year. Indeed, his numbers of last season are marginally better than Eason’s in yards and td passes with the same number of intercepts and the bonus of 600 plus yards of rushing.. Yeah I know lower competition but Thomson really did not have much talent around him at all, especially, on the offensive line and led his team to a conference championship and a quarterfinal berth.
An experienced QB that minimizes mistakes, helps improve red zone production, and helps keep the sticks moving with his feet could be what this team needs to win a conference championship as the rest of the pieces are in place with UW’s team this year.
And the other fact staring us and Sirmon in the face is Sam is coming and will likely start from day one. So winning this season takes precedence over development.
I really hope Jacob steps up and I am hoping for him, but some added insurance against injury and transfer with a unique QB like Thomson is prudent and wise.
and then there is this from NFL Draft Diamonds:
Kevin Thomson from Sacramento State is one of the best dual-threat quarterbacks in the 2021 NFL Draft. He can crush you with his feet and has wheels for a quarterback. He also is on pace to break tons of records at Sacramento State in 2020. Keep an eye on this kid because the former UNLV recruit is ballin in the FCS.
Experience doesn’t matter. Either you have it or you don’t. That’s why true Freshman after true Freshman are coming in and starting right away for some of the best programs in the country and having success because they’re talented and they can learn as they go. But there is no way to know if a guy has it or not if you don’t play him! Like I said, it’s a stupid paradoxical trap dumb ass coaches fall into all the time: “We love how talented this guy is and we want him to be the starter but he has no experience. But he has no experience because we haven’t played him yet.” It makes zero sense. What’s the point of recruiting all of these 4-star quarterbacks if you’re not gonna play them because they don’t have college experience yet? Do you understand how stupid that is?
You go with the talent and the upside every time. You don’t win shit playing it safe with more experienced, less talented players, ESPECIALLY at QB. Those days are long gone. You have to have elite NFL talent at QB to beat anybody in the playoffs.
Am I saying start Sirmon and keep playing him the rest of the season if he sucks? Fuck no. I just said, you start with the most talented guy and then go down the list if it doesn’t work. If we’re playing Michigan and they start Sirmon and he shits himself the entire first half, then they should bench him and move on to the next guy for the second half and go from there until they find a guy who can get the job done. But this team will never reach it’s ceiling if the most talented QB in the roster doesn’t even get an opportunity to show what he can do.
We both agree we don’t want to waste a great defense and great players around the QB position. So we shouldn’t waste them by playing an FCS weak-armed JAG who might have a higher floor but definetely has a lower ceiling and we shouldn’t waste them by taking reps away from more talented QB’s in Fall camp so they’re less prepared for the season, should one of them be the starter, which is more likely than the JAG they brought in being the starter.
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Let me give you an example. Imagine if when Clay Helton chose to start Max Browne over Sam Darnold, Darnold decided to immediately transfer before the season even started. That’s how monumentally bad our coaches could fuck this QB decision up by not playing the most talented guy first. Sure, Browne and Darnold looked relatively even in Fall camp so they went with the older guy and WOW was that a fuck up. It’s a prime example of how practice is completely different than games. One guy might look better in practice and not actually be a better football player IN GAMES. Darnold was obviously the more talented QB of the two. That’s why you go with the most talented guy first and then go down the list if he doesn’t work out.
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Your underlying assumption seems to be that Jacob Sirmon is uber talented. What are you basing this on? Highschool?
I hope to God you are right, and I am really cheering for him especially because his lack of playing time particularly last year really annoyed me.
But he was running behind Jake Haener through last spring and last fall and that was not based on experience as neither of them really had any. And the less said about Haener the better.
I have not heard he has shone in practice indeed I hear better reports about Morris. Hamdan may have screwed this up but is there any basis to believe to say Sirmon has showed anything? Indeed, bringing in Thomson is a sign he probably has not.
Again with regard to your Darnold analogy. No one on our roster is Darnold, a great raw talent and a first round draft choice.
Different circumstance again, USC needed Darnold to exceed to win, we need a QB not to make mistakes this year to win.
Sam Huard is likely to start next year so the uber talent will come through. This year we do not have an uber talent and this program needs to win for recruiting and to establish Jimmy Lake.
Competiton and insurance are prudent. We will see how the competition goes.
But I think you are being way too negative on Thomson. The kid has talent and experience and will add a new dimension with his feet. As God knows Browning’s and Eason’s misadventures in the pocket have taken years off Huskie fans’ lives.
Again if only for the red zone he would be a solid addition. It is far from a guarantee but I can see where he can come in and lead us to a conference championship, his film is pretty good.
QB was my one worry this year and with him on board I feel way better about it – my bottom line position is he will make less mistakes that our existing QBs and not blow it for out defense and running game.
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Rick, his arm strength looks below average at best.
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Rick, his arm strength looks below average at best.
I agree and never said otherwise. It looks better than Browning’s although that is not necessarily what we should aspire for.
But as Luke Huard said – “He can make all the throws” and arm strength is not the only measure of a QB.
He competes and is winner as he carried that team last year to a conference championship and finished tied for third for the Walter Payton award as the best offense player in FCS.
I never said he was the be all and end all. He is a solid pick up with decent upside and minimum downside.
But some are suggesting he is chopped liver and a bad decision to pick up. I think it is shrewd a0cquistion and he offers something to UW this year and offers helps for our biggest concern: QB and our other nettlesome problems such as RedZone and short yardage.Sure Costello would have been great as would Daniels but that didn’t happen. Failing them he makes a lot of sense.
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Sirmon has best upside. However, he was a project coming in and his coach who worked with him is a guy no longer on staff. So how can we trust that Bush has him Sirmon prepared to start?
Thomson gives us another option. With a great D, and a good WR core we just need a steady QB. Thomson has starting experience, can run as well. Ideally, Sirmon is our starter as he has the most upside.
Thomson starting though wouldn’t be the end of the world.
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