.Joe Tryon is getting worked right now. FiVE EDGE guys taken before him, none of them are as athletic as him in space or as versatile. Pisses me off. Just another guy who cost himself a pile of money because he let some snake agent talk him into leaving too soon. UW needs to stop stockpiling 2nd-round draft picks. The 1st-round is where the real money is at for these guys and that’s the round recruits want to see your players get drafted.
Lol never mind, Tryon the very last pick of the 1st-round. Thank you Tampa for having some damn sense. But still, Tryon being the 6th DE drafted is blasphemous. Tampa got a steal.
If I’m not mistaken, Tryon and DJ Johnson were in the same recruiting class. Tryon a low 3-star. Johnson a high 4-star. When Tryon committed to UW over WSU and Oregon, Oregon fans were like “meh, Taggart only wanted him as a TE anyways”. That’s interesting, what position is DJ Johnson playing for Oregon these days? And what does his draft stock look like right now? Hehe
Keith Taylor goes in the 5th round to the Carolina Panthers and will play with Shaq Thompson. Keith was a solid starter for us but never had an interception. He was a low 4-star recruit so he actually managed to match his high school rating with his draft placement which is amazing considering his non-existent ball production.
Deommodore Lenoir is the next DB off the board after Taylor in the 5th round. Both he and Thomas Graham were rated much higher than Taylor as recruits. Graham was damn near a 5-star and is still waiting to hear his name called. Speaking of 5-stars, Talanoa Hufunga and Marlon Tuipulatu still haven’t been drafted. 5-star Jay Tufele didnt get drafted until the 4th round. High 4-star Tommy Togiai got drafted after Jay Tufele in the 4th round. Pretty hilarious to see that horrible USC DT development and vaunted Ohio State DT development compared to UW. Levi O was a 230-245 pound DE in high school and didn’t start playing DT until he got to UW. Not surprising to see all of that high 4-star and 5-star USC and Oregon talent drop so far down the draft.
UW flexing on them once again.
5-star recruit and #2 rated WR in the country, Amon Ra St. Brown, didnt get drafted until the 4th round.
High 4-star recruit and #2 rated WR in the country, Tyler Vaughns, has still not been drafted and has a draft grade of 7th round to UDFA.
Air Raid offenses don’t prepare WRs for the NFL. The route tree is too limited.
I hate to interrupt this soliloquy, but it seems like you are confused about how ratings work. First off, coaches and ratings sites don’t always see eye to eye. Second, aren’t they being rated based on their projected effectiveness in college, rather than the NFL? Tyler Vaughns, for instance, had a good college career as a receiver and was also a stellar kick returner. I see you creaming yourself over the Giles Jackson pick-up, and he has not accomplished half of what Vaughns did at the same point in his career. I think he was well worth his pre-college rating.
Third, you can cherry pick guys all day that made it to the NFL and that didn’t. There are tons of four and five-star guys all over the country, including at UW, who don’t pan out. I don’t blame the coaches that they couldn’t do anything with Marquis Spiker, for instance. It’s just how football works. Projections are not reality.
Anyway, sorry to interrupt the exercise in self-stimulation.
I hate to interrupt this soliloquy, but it seems like you are confused about how ratings work. First off, coaches and ratings sites don’t always see eye to eye. Second, aren’t they being rated based on their projected effectiveness in college, rather than the NFL? Tyler Vaughns, for instance, had a good college career as a receiver and was also a stellar kick returner. I see you creaming yourself over the Giles Jackson pick-up, and he has not accomplished half of what Vaughns did at the same point in his career. I think he was well worth his pre-college rating.
Third, you can cherry pick guys all day that made it to the NFL and that didn’t. There are tons of four and five-star guys all over the country, including at UW, who don’t pan out. I don’t blame the coaches that they couldn’t do anything with Marquis Spiker, for instance. It’s just how football works. Projections are not reality.
Anyway, sorry to interrupt the exercise in self-stimulation.
“The ratings are based on NFL projections”. Yeah no shit, where in my previous posts did you see me suggest otherwise? Tyler Vaughns was rated as the #2 WR in his recruiting class and a future 2nd-round draft pick. He went undrafted. His draft analysis says his route running sucks and he never developed physically while in college. I don’t give a fuck what he did in college. The ratings aren’t based on college pruduction, remember? He’s basically Gabe Marks, put up a bunch of numbers in college without much draft stock to show for it.
“The projections are not reality”. Again, no fucking shit! You’re saying the same shit I’m always saying and acting like you’re correcting me you dumb ass.
I’m talking about guys who actually played for these teams and were draft elgible. Spiker is irrelevant. Giles is irrelevant. I never said UW never has busts and guys who don’t pan out. That is natural through competition. My point is, there is a huge disparity between how well UW develops players and how well USC and Oregon develop players.
Suck it bitch. Your squad is trash.
You are terrible at reading, which I guess makes sense for a guy who appears to be perpetually arguing with nobody (or maybe the voices in your head?). Anyway, I am happy to provide you a real person to argue with.
My argument is that there is no way star ratings on 16 and 17-year olds who aren’t even done growing, much less learning how to play football can be accurately used to project NFL readiness 5+ years later, and making post after post saying “Aha! Someone didn’t get drafted according to their old star rating!” is ludicrous, as is thinking that every school doesn’t have four-star recruits who didn’t pan out. The guys you singled out, Vaughns, Amon Ra St. Brown, Hufanga, etc. were really good college players, and any college team looking to recruit them would have done well to follow their star rankings. A college coach’s primary job is to win in college. If developing NFL talent was their primary task, recruiting would look a lot different. You would see more focus on measurables like we see at combines and pro-days, for example.
You really wouldn’t want Gabe Marks on your college team? Or Ken Simonton, or Hunter Dimick or Nick Reed, just because they didn’t have NFL measurables? That’s dumb.
I am really glad for Tryon, Levi O., Molden, and Taylor and hope they have great NFL careers. I just don’t see how you come up with how UW can make up for bad recruiting with ‘developing players’, and especially how you can look at this draft for evidence. USC, Stanford, and Oregon all had five guys get drafted. USC and Oregon both had first rounders higher than Tryon. How do you assimilate those facts into your argument?
And your point is stupid and irrelevant. No, I dont want Gabe Marks and Talanoa Hufunga. I want John Ross and Budda Baker instead. I want guys who get drafted in the 1st and 2nd round more than I want guys who get drafted in the 6th round or go undrafted.
Developing NFL talent is the primary task because the more NFL caliber players who develop, the better your team is going to be, and the more likely you are to win games and conference titles. UW has more NFL draft picks than any other Pac-12 team since 2014 and also more wins and legitimate conference titles. The two are correlated.
I am really glad for Tryon, Levi O., Molden, and Taylor and hope they have great NFL careers. I just don’t see how you come up with how UW can make up for bad recruiting with ‘developing players’, and especially how you can look at this draft for evidence. USC, Stanford, and Oregon all had five guys get drafted. USC and Oregon both had first rounders higher than Tryon. How do you assimilate those facts into your argument?
What bad recruiting?
UW has more 1st and 2nd round draft picks than anybody else in the conference since 2014 with 16. Oregon has less than half as many with 7. You want me to golf clap because Oregon got Penei Sewell drafted in the first round? He was already the best LT they’ve ever had as true Freshman. Who cares? The same thing would have happened had he gone to any other school. How many 3-star players has Oregon put in the 1st or 2nd round.
People want to say recruiting rankings are correlated to winning. Sure, but the more accurate thing to say is, NFL draft picks are correlated to winning and higher draft picks are more correlated to winning than lower draft picks are. That way, you’re factoring both recruiting and player development into the equation for a more accurate look at the big picture.
It seems like you are bad at counting as well as reading. Actually, even with your cherry-picked window of 2014 to now, USC has more draft picks. So does that mean Clay Helton is the best at developing players? Bahahahah! Normally, I would expect someone to respond that Helton had better recruits, but since you maintain that UW hasn’t had any bad recruting, it should be entertaining to see what kind of argument you manufacture here.
And speaking of dumb arguments, I am curious why you brought up D.J. Johnson, who signed with Miami out of high school. I have no idea if he will make the NFL, but are you saying Miami can’t develop NFL talent?
UW has more 1st and 2nd round draft picks than anybody else in the conference since 2014 with 16. Oregon has less than half as many with 7. You want me to golf clap because Oregon got Penei Sewell drafted in the first round? He was already the best LT they’ve ever had as true Freshman. Who cares? The same thing would have happened had he gone to any other school. How many 3-star players has Oregon put in the 1st or 2nd round.
I see you have revised your statement to now include only 1st and 2nd round picks. So now you are cherry picking the rounds as well as the years. Whatever. Don’t get me wrong; that was a really impressive run. I disagree that it was directly correlated to the product on the field though. Unfortunately, there are no bowl victories to mark how much NFL talent those teams had, and it looks like that window has closed with this new coaching staff. I guess we can always hope.
UW has more 1st and 2nd round draft picks than anybody else in the conference since 2014 with 16. Oregon has less than half as many with 7. You want me to golf clap because Oregon got Penei Sewell drafted in the first round? He was already the best LT they’ve ever had as true Freshman. Who cares? The same thing would have happened had he gone to any other school. How many 3-star players has Oregon put in the 1st or 2nd round.
I see you have revised your statement to now include only 1st and 2nd round picks. So now you are cherry picking the rounds as well as the years. Whatever. Don’t get me wrong; that was a really impressive run. I disagree that it was directly correlated to the product on the field though. Unfortunately, there are no bowl victories to mark how much NFL talent those teams had, and it looks like that window has closed with this new coaching staff. I guess we can always hope.
I’m not cherry picking fucktard Oregon fan. UW has the most draft picks overall and the most 1st/2nd round picks in the conference since 2014. Both stats have UW on top bitch. And 2014 is relevant to UW because that’s when our current coaching staff got here. I don’t give credit to our current coaching staff for Sark’s draft picks like Oregon fans and media give credit to Cristobal for Chip/Helfrich draft picks. The window has closed bitch boy, it’s wide open for UW to continue to win more games than everybody else and run the West for year to come.
It seems like you are bad at counting as well as reading. Actually, even with your cherry-picked window of 2014 to now, USC has more draft picks. So does that mean Clay Helton is the best at developing players? Bahahahah! Normally, I would expect someone to respond that Helton had better recruits, but since you maintain that UW hasn’t had any bad recruting, it should be entertaining to see what kind of argument you manufacture here.
And speaking of dumb arguments, I am curious why you brought up D.J. Johnson, who signed with Miami out of high school. I have no idea if he will make the NFL, but are you saying Miami can’t develop NFL talent?
What was that bitch?
I brought up DJ Johnson in reference to Joe Tryon. They were in the same recruiting class. Both were DE recruits. Johnson was rated way higher than Tryon was. Miami just had two DEs drafted in the 1st round. DJ couldn’t compete with that level of competition. He transferred to Oregon as a DE and played DE at Oregon for a year before being moved to TE. It’s a pretty stark comparison. UW develops a low 3-star DE into a 1st-round pick while Oregon can’t coach up a high 4-star transfer at all to play DE.
Ballz I appreciate your passion but if this board is going to have any future, I’m eventually going to have to let you go.
You can’t keep fighting with people and destroying any conversation.
Wow, really Chest? Ok.
Spring ball is over. I’m gonna take a break from the board for a while. Maybe I’ll come back when Fall camp rolls around. I don’t know.
I’ll leave you all with this. This is the most complete UW football team I’ve ever seen. It’s a really exciting time to be a Dawg fan, therefore, the incessant bitching has got to stop because there is no reason for it.
It couldn’t be any more obvious Jimmy Lake knows what he’s doing, this team is going to be really good, and the recruits are going to line up to come here once they see this team continue to prove there is no better Pac-12 program to play for. USC can get fucked. Oregon can get fucked. UW is where it’s at.
Ballz out ✌
Just never mention Oregon and you would instantly be a better poster.
Fans bitch. It’s what they do. You should read the Ohio St or LSU forums.
This could be a very good team- potentially but its not a complete team now.
It lacks a proven tailback, proven WRs and a proven LB aside from Eddie. QB could go either way.
With Puka and ZTF, this realistically could be a top 10 team.
In order for that to happen we’d need to see numerous guys take a leap like what happened in 2015-2016. Cam Davis, Odunze, Morris would have to be HM All-Pac 12 type guys. We need much improved play at LB too. We’d have to pickup another guy or two who could contribute like Bookie and Giles Jackson.
Not saying its impossible. Its just a reach now.
Not sure how posting a tweet proves anything, but the truth is that Stanford has the most draftees since 2014 in the Pac 12, and USC is second. Teams like Stanford that play big on the lines will always have more guys make it to the NFL just because of their style of play.
If Pitt and Kentucky both had more draftees than anyone in the Pac 12 this year, does that mean they are better programs and coaches than UW et al. ? Somewhere there is a hole in that logic.
