Jimmy called in for a good 20+ minutes with Softy this afternoon. Biggest takeaways is they will have a real spring game this year, they are looking at bringing in a transfer QB, and the offense will be much more north-south vs east-west.
Jimmy Lake interview with Softy
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Great interview and reassurance to all husky fans that he may actually know wtf he’s doing!
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Great interview and reassurance to all husky fans that he may actually know wtf he’s doing!
ummm, he said that he chose Donavan because: 1) he called around and kept hearing Donavan’s name; and 2) coaching in the NFL really helped him so he assumes it helped Donavan.
I guess that proves he knows what he is doing.
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Lake is also one of the brightest defensive minds in football and said he loved the “x and o’s” Donovan brought to the table during his interview. So yeah, I’m here for it.
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Just about everything he said should theoretically alleviate our concerns here about the “who?” factor regarding Donovan…IF…Lake’s instincts are on.
If Donovan can pass the x’s and o’s test with Lake, it gives me some confidence with Lake’s experience in the NFL.
A somewhat reassuring interview.
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Spring game baby! Let’s go! It’s about damn time. Petersen’s annual excuse of “not having the numbers” to do a real Spring game was so fucking annoying. It’s the head coaches job to get fans excited about the team and to get his players ready to play real football. The big boy programs don’t go 9 months straight from the end of one season to the beginning of the next without playing real football. You have to play a Spring game to find out who can perform in front of a big crowd when it matters. Fuck practice. It’s about who performs under the bright lights that matters the most. That’s how you as a coach figure out who the real ballers and alphas are.
Could Jimmy Lake be any more perfect for this job at the perfect time? He’s just what the doctored ordered to take this thing to the next level. I couldn’t be any more confident in him than I already am. He’s doing everything I would do. Doubt him if you want to. He’ll just make you look stupid down the road.
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Just about everything he said should theoretically alleviate our concerns here about the “who?” factor regarding Donovan…IF…Lake’s instincts are on.
If Donovan can pass the x’s and o’s test with Lake, it gives me some confidence with Lake’s experience in the NFL.
A somewhat reassuring interview.
Honestly his comments about Donovan did nothing to squelch my concerns about the offense.
He spent a large chunk of time talking about how Donovan would be able to implement pro concepts and all of the benefits running a pro-style offense gives our players when it is time for them to be drafted.
While I love sending players to the NFL and that’s a good badge of honor for us, I would rather we score points here in college. I don’t think any spread team that’s piling up yards and points is having trouble getting guys drafted…
Honestly when he was describing what he wanted from the offense it sounded a lot like what we see out of Brian Schottenheimer. North and South, he talked a lot about running the football using tight ends and fullbacks. As a fan of UW, I don’t want to watch what the Seahawks do on Saturdays, because it’s boring and largely ineffective. I don’t think recruits want to play in that. I don’t think that will help our team achieve anything more than the occasional Pac-12 title.
People comparing this to Joe Brady at LSU and how that is technically “pro-style” just because Brady was with the Saints. Well no, they’re still running a spread. They’re not constantly running out 12 personnel or using a fullback, they’re using spread formations.
I just don’t get it.
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Just about everything he said should theoretically alleviate our concerns here about the “who?” factor regarding Donovan…IF…Lake’s instincts are on.
If Donovan can pass the x’s and o’s test with Lake, it gives me some confidence with Lake’s experience in the NFL.
A somewhat reassuring interview.
Honestly his comments about Donovan did nothing to squelch my concerns about the offense.
He spent a large chunk of time talking about how Donovan would be able to implement pro concepts and all of the benefits running a pro-style offense gives our players when it is time for them to be drafted.
While I love sending players to the NFL and that’s a good badge of honor for us, I would rather we score points here in college. I don’t think any spread team that’s piling up yards and points is having trouble getting guys drafted…
Honestly when he was describing what he wanted from the offense it sounded a lot like what we see out of Brian Schottenheimer. North and South, he talked a lot about running the football using tight ends and fullbacks. As a fan of UW, I don’t want to watch what the Seahawks do on Saturdays, because it’s boring and largely ineffective. I don’t think recruits want to play in that. I don’t think that will help our team achieve anything more than the occasional Pac-12 title.
People comparing this to Joe Brady at LSU and how that is technically “pro-style” just because Brady was with the Saints. Well no, they’re still running a spread. They’re not constantly running out 12 personnel or using a fullback, they’re using spread formations.
I just don’t get it.
Well said.
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The doog in me wants to believe now that Pete is gone, his stranglehold on the offensive scheme is over and the entire offensive staff can work together to build a new scheme. The collective experience of the group may be able to cobble something together that looks like a functional offense. Huff was a Co-OC at Boise alongside Zac Hill, the new OC at ASU. Adams coached under Beau Baldwin at Eastern and was the OC under Mike Sanford at Western Kentucky. While it’s still under the CP tree, I’m sure they’ve picked up new concepts along the way.
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Jimmy make the right decision.
Pro-Style teams don’t have to be boring. They are harder to build because
you have to have a run game and that means a really good OL. Then your QB
has to more cerebral. His pre-snap coverage read needs to have a high hit rate.I’d say an Elite Pro-Style college team would beat an Elite Spread team probably 60%
but the problem is building that Pro-Style team…it’s gonna take more time where
a QB knows they can integrate into a spread team like OK,Clemson or LSU and be 70% of the
way there. -
Jimmy make the right decision.
Pro-Style teams don’t have to be boring. They are harder to build because
you have to have a run game and that means a really good OL. Then your QB
has to more cerebral. His pre-snap coverage read needs to have a high hit rate.I’d say an Elite Pro-Style college team would beat an Elite Spread team probably 60%
but the problem is building that Pro-Style team…it’s gonna take more time where
a QB knows they can integrate into a spread team like OK,Clemson or LSU and be 70% of the
way there.That’s exactly the issue though. We have watched CP’s “pro-style” offense here since 2014. We had one year where it was pretty dang good. One year out of six. And even in that one year, we got shut down by USC and Alabama and Colorado to a large extent.
I don’t want an offense where we need everything to fall our way to get an above-average offense. We need something that is easy to teach so that we can have above-average offenses every year, despite personnel loss, like other college teams.
Going pro-style just lowers your margin for error so dramatically. Every technique needs to be perfect. Every assignment needs to be made. Every blitz needs to be caught and picked up. We saw the issues with that this year when we weren’t perfect, so many losses came by less than a touchdown and in each loss you can trace it back to a single possession where some stupid mistake was made.
That’s fine to do in the pros where everyone runs that type of offense and you’re dealing with veterans that can handle it. In college, you’re just willfully handicapping yourself.
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Just about everything he said should theoretically alleviate our concerns here about the “who?” factor regarding Donovan…IF…Lake’s instincts are on.
If Donovan can pass the x’s and o’s test with Lake, it gives me some confidence with Lake’s experience in the NFL.
A somewhat reassuring interview.
Honestly his comments about Donovan did nothing to squelch my concerns about the offense.
He spent a large chunk of time talking about how Donovan would be able to implement pro concepts and all of the benefits running a pro-style offense gives our players when it is time for them to be drafted.
While I love sending players to the NFL and that’s a good badge of honor for us, I would rather we score points here in college. I don’t think any spread team that’s piling up yards and points is having trouble getting guys drafted…
Honestly when he was describing what he wanted from the offense it sounded a lot like what we see out of Brian Schottenheimer. North and South, he talked a lot about running the football using tight ends and fullbacks. As a fan of UW, I don’t want to watch what the Seahawks do on Saturdays, because it’s boring and largely ineffective. I don’t think recruits want to play in that. I don’t think that will help our team achieve anything more than the occasional Pac-12 title.
People comparing this to Joe Brady at LSU and how that is technically “pro-style” just because Brady was with the Saints. Well no, they’re still running a spread. They’re not constantly running out 12 personnel or using a fullback, they’re using spread formations.
I just don’t get it.
Good points. At this point I think it’s “show, don’t tell” time.
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Jimmy make the right decision.
Pro-Style teams don’t have to be boring. They are harder to build because
you have to have a run game and that means a really good OL. Then your QB
has to more cerebral. His pre-snap coverage read needs to have a high hit rate.I’d say an Elite Pro-Style college team would beat an Elite Spread team probably 60%
but the problem is building that Pro-Style team…it’s gonna take more time where
a QB knows they can integrate into a spread team like OK,Clemson or LSU and be 70% of the
way there.That’s exactly the issue though. We have watched CP’s “pro-style” offense here since 2014. We had one year where it was pretty dang good. One year out of six. And even in that one year, we got shut down by USC and Alabama and Colorado to a large extent.
I don’t want an offense where we need everything to fall our way to get an above-average offense. We need something that is easy to teach so that we can have above-average offenses every year, despite personnel loss, like other college teams.
Going pro-style just lowers your margin for error so dramatically. Every technique needs to be perfect. Every assignment needs to be made. Every blitz needs to be caught and picked up. We saw the issues with that this year when we weren’t perfect, so many losses came by less than a touchdown and in each loss you can trace it back to a single possession where some stupid mistake was made.
That’s fine to do in the pros where everyone runs that type of offense and you’re dealing with veterans that can handle it. In college, you’re just willfully handicapping yourself.
It’s pretty unfair to ignore the talent difference between Petersen’s offenses the last couple years and what Jimmy and Donovan will have to work with. It doesn’t matter what kind of offense you run if you have Mountain West receivers trying to play against Pac-12 competition week in and week out. That’s what we’ve had to deal with the last couple seasons and those days are over.
I don’t think pro-style is harder to execute when you have elite offensive talent at all positions like UW will. The spread is for less talented teams like WSU, that are trying to overcome a talent disparity by making defenses cover the entire field. UW will be able to just beat people physically upfront and down the field with speed. No need for bubble screen bullshit when your receivers and TE’s are better athletes than the DB’s and LB’s trying to defend them and can beat them vertically.
I watch the 49ers offense and it’s just a thing of beauty. They throw the ball vertically. No linebacker in the league can cover Kittle. Their receivers have space to operate because their isn’t constantly four receivers on the field. They run a lot of tight formations that look like obvious run formations and then everybody breaks out into a route and they surprise defenses and then somebody is wide open. You never know what they’re going to do in terms of run versus pass. They even use their full back as a receiver out of the back field and aren’t afraid to throw it to him deep. I watched them beat the Seahawks on one play with a fullback wheel route for a 30 something yard completion. They don’t throw pussy ass WR screens. If they throw horizontally, it’s a rub route to the slot receiver running an out that gets them 8-12 yards easy. If they throw any kind of screen, they’ve got pulling lineman blocking downfield for receivers or running backs. It’s just super efficient and gets chunk play after chunk play.
I think as long as Donovan is creative like Kyle Shanahan is and we have a good QB to run it, UW’s offense will be hard to stop. Everybody has been complaining about our pussy ass offense being too conservative and soft for years and now Jimmy says they’re going to be aggressive, physical, pound the rock, and throw the ball vertically down the field and people are still complaining? You just can’t win with some people. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Pessimists will be pessimistic no matter what.
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It will depend on how much their “pro-style” offense has evolved. I have to assume it will mix in a lot of more modern passing concepts. Bama and LSU both made huge improvements to their offenses when they opened things up, though I don’t know if you would exactly call either of them running a traditional spread.
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Nothing has changed with me. Beat Michigan and he’ll be showered with praise. Lose to Michigan and expect scrutiny.
Sark gave great pressers too. Ty didn’t suck cause his pressers sucked, he sucked cause he was a bad coach.
Win games is the only standard we should care about.
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Jimmy also did an interview with KOMO radio this week. Basically covered the same topics as the Softy interview but there were a couple additional tidbits I picked up.
-Molden is going to play all over the secondary next season. Outside corner, nickel, FS.
-Terrence Brown was great with recruits while a GA so he expects him to be an ace recruiter
-The offense will be pro style with college concepts mixed in. He referenced the Saints, Titans and Packers offenses as examples. With Donovan’s connection to Joe Brady, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them try to emulate LSUs offense. -
Jimmy also did an interview with KOMO radio this week. Basically covered the same topics as the Softy interview but there were a couple additional tidbits I picked up.
-Molden is going to play all over the secondary next season. Outside corner, nickel, FS.
-Terrence Brown was great with recruits while a GA so he expects him to be an ace recruiter
-The offense will be pro style with college concepts mixed in. He referenced the Saints, Titans and Packers offenses as examples. With Donovan’s connection to Joe Brady, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them try to emulate LSUs offense.One very brief comment that stuck out to me was Jimmy Lake saying, “the players like the new energy.”
Kind of makes you wonder what the energy was like before.
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Jimmy also did an interview with KOMO radio this week. Basically covered the same topics as the Softy interview but there were a couple additional tidbits I picked up.
-Molden is going to play all over the secondary next season. Outside corner, nickel, FS.
-Terrence Brown was great with recruits while a GA so he expects him to be an ace recruiter
-The offense will be pro style with college concepts mixed in. He referenced the Saints, Titans and Packers offenses as examples. With Donovan’s connection to Joe Brady, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them try to emulate LSUs offense.Forgot to add that the segment with Jimmy starts shortly after the 16 min mark.
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Jimmy make the right decision.
Pro-Style teams don’t have to be boring. They are harder to build because
you have to have a run game and that means a really good OL. Then your QB
has to more cerebral. His pre-snap coverage read needs to have a high hit rate.I’d say an Elite Pro-Style college team would beat an Elite Spread team probably 60%
but the problem is building that Pro-Style team…it’s gonna take more time where
a QB knows they can integrate into a spread team like OK,Clemson or LSU and be 70% of the
way there.That’s exactly the issue though. We have watched CP’s “pro-style” offense here since 2014. We had one year where it was pretty dang good. One year out of six. And even in that one year, we got shut down by USC and Alabama and Colorado to a large extent.
I don’t want an offense where we need everything to fall our way to get an above-average offense. We need something that is easy to teach so that we can have above-average offenses every year, despite personnel loss, like other college teams.
Going pro-style just lowers your margin for error so dramatically. Every technique needs to be perfect. Every assignment needs to be made. Every blitz needs to be caught and picked up. We saw the issues with that this year when we weren’t perfect, so many losses came by less than a touchdown and in each loss you can trace it back to a single possession where some stupid mistake was made.
That’s fine to do in the pros where everyone runs that type of offense and you’re dealing with veterans that can handle it. In college, you’re just willfully handicapping yourself.
It’s pretty unfair to ignore the talent difference between Petersen’s offenses the last couple years and what Jimmy and Donovan will have to work with. It doesn’t matter what kind of offense you run if you have Mountain West receivers trying to play against Pac-12 competition week in and week out. That’s what we’ve had to deal with the last couple seasons and those days are over.
I don’t think pro-style is harder to execute when you have elite offensive talent at all positions like UW will. The spread is for less talented teams like WSU, that are trying to overcome a talent disparity by making defenses cover the entire field. UW will be able to just beat people physically upfront and down the field with speed. No need for bubble screen bullshit when your receivers and TE’s are better athletes than the DB’s and LB’s trying to defend them and can beat them vertically.
I watch the 49ers offense and it’s just a thing of beauty. They throw the ball vertically. No linebacker in the league can cover Kittle. Their receivers have space to operate because their isn’t constantly four receivers on the field. They run a lot of tight formations that look like obvious run formations and then everybody breaks out into a route and they surprise defenses and then somebody is wide open. You never know what they’re going to do in terms of run versus pass. They even use their full back as a receiver out of the back field and aren’t afraid to throw it to him deep. I watched them beat the Seahawks on one play with a fullback wheel route for a 30 something yard completion. They don’t throw pussy ass WR screens. If they throw horizontally, it’s a rub route to the slot receiver running an out that gets them 8-12 yards easy. If they throw any kind of screen, they’ve got pulling lineman blocking downfield for receivers or running backs. It’s just super efficient and gets chunk play after chunk play.
I think as long as Donovan is creative like Kyle Shanahan is and we have a good QB to run it, UW’s offense will be hard to stop. Everybody has been complaining about our pussy ass offense being too conservative and soft for years and now Jimmy says they’re going to be aggressive, physical, pound the rock, and throw the ball vertically down the field and people are still complaining? You just can’t win with some people. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Pessimists will be pessimistic no matter what.
So first, I think you’re confusing the spread with the air raid. WSU runs the air raid, which is a type of spread, but there are lots of versions of the spread. Every playoff team was running their own version of the spread. It isn’t just for teams with talent deficiencies anymore, that’s an outdated rhetoric. Analytics show that it is far easier to run the ball out of the spread in college because you’re facing fewer defenders in the box, making it easier to get your guy in space and make someone miss.
I would have been a lot happier if we grabbed someone from Shanahan’s staff, or someone from KC, or NO. We didn’t. We brought in someone from Jacksonville, who routinely has about the least creative and least effective offense in the NFL. Does that mean Donovan will be just as bland and boring? Not necessarily, I suppose it’s possible he was behind the scenes, coming up with more creative ways to run offense. History doesn’t show that to be the case…generally coaches are versions of who they coach under with tweaks.
Re. Jimmy saying the offense is going to be physical and aggressive, I mean I think every head coach in history has used those words to describe what his team will be. Not many coaches come out and say their team is going to be passive and soft. So him saying that means nothing to me. There are plenty of teams out there that run pro-style that would say they’re aggressive and physical. Problem is, those teams don’t score very much. I would rather we score points.
You can be physical and aggressive from the spread. There’s this weird group-think among husky fans that we have to use a fullback and we have to use multiple tight end sets so we can pound our chest about how physical we are. It is BS. None of the best offenses in college use tight ends as much as we do. Go check out the stats. None. Zero. Compacting your offense causes you to face a litany of loaded boxes consequently making it harder to run, makes it harder to identify where blitzes are coming from, and does nothing to utilize the wider hash marks in college that are so valuable when getting your best players in space.
And frankly, I don’t understand how going tight end heavy fits our personnel. Go look at our roster. We have one blue chip tight end, and he will be a true freshman. Paopao’s terrible recruiting has made our tight end room pretty shallow. We have Otton, and then a bunch of unproven guys. Conversely, we have 7 blue-chip WRs. 5 of whom are 6’2″+. So every time we trot out 12 personnel so that we can have Kizer or Culp on the field with Otton, remember that we are keeping a blue-chip WR off the field to make that happen. Please tell me how that benefits the offense.
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Jimmy make the right decision.
Pro-Style teams don’t have to be boring. They are harder to build because
you have to have a run game and that means a really good OL. Then your QB
has to more cerebral. His pre-snap coverage read needs to have a high hit rate.I’d say an Elite Pro-Style college team would beat an Elite Spread team probably 60%
but the problem is building that Pro-Style team…it’s gonna take more time where
a QB knows they can integrate into a spread team like OK,Clemson or LSU and be 70% of the
way there.That’s exactly the issue though. We have watched CP’s “pro-style” offense here since 2014. We had one year where it was pretty dang good. One year out of six. And even in that one year, we got shut down by USC and Alabama and Colorado to a large extent.
I don’t want an offense where we need everything to fall our way to get an above-average offense. We need something that is easy to teach so that we can have above-average offenses every year, despite personnel loss, like other college teams.
Going pro-style just lowers your margin for error so dramatically. Every technique needs to be perfect. Every assignment needs to be made. Every blitz needs to be caught and picked up. We saw the issues with that this year when we weren’t perfect, so many losses came by less than a touchdown and in each loss you can trace it back to a single possession where some stupid mistake was made.
That’s fine to do in the pros where everyone runs that type of offense and you’re dealing with veterans that can handle it. In college, you’re just willfully handicapping yourself.
It’s pretty unfair to ignore the talent difference between Petersen’s offenses the last couple years and what Jimmy and Donovan will have to work with. It doesn’t matter what kind of offense you run if you have Mountain West receivers trying to play against Pac-12 competition week in and week out. That’s what we’ve had to deal with the last couple seasons and those days are over.
I don’t think pro-style is harder to execute when you have elite offensive talent at all positions like UW will. The spread is for less talented teams like WSU, that are trying to overcome a talent disparity by making defenses cover the entire field. UW will be able to just beat people physically upfront and down the field with speed. No need for bubble screen bullshit when your receivers and TE’s are better athletes than the DB’s and LB’s trying to defend them and can beat them vertically.
I watch the 49ers offense and it’s just a thing of beauty. They throw the ball vertically. No linebacker in the league can cover Kittle. Their receivers have space to operate because their isn’t constantly four receivers on the field. They run a lot of tight formations that look like obvious run formations and then everybody breaks out into a route and they surprise defenses and then somebody is wide open. You never know what they’re going to do in terms of run versus pass. They even use their full back as a receiver out of the back field and aren’t afraid to throw it to him deep. I watched them beat the Seahawks on one play with a fullback wheel route for a 30 something yard completion. They don’t throw pussy ass WR screens. If they throw horizontally, it’s a rub route to the slot receiver running an out that gets them 8-12 yards easy. If they throw any kind of screen, they’ve got pulling lineman blocking downfield for receivers or running backs. It’s just super efficient and gets chunk play after chunk play.
I think as long as Donovan is creative like Kyle Shanahan is and we have a good QB to run it, UW’s offense will be hard to stop. Everybody has been complaining about our pussy ass offense being too conservative and soft for years and now Jimmy says they’re going to be aggressive, physical, pound the rock, and throw the ball vertically down the field and people are still complaining? You just can’t win with some people. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Pessimists will be pessimistic no matter what.
Not sure where to start here.
1. I think you are mixing up spread and air raid. Everyone runs the spread. All 4 playoff teams, spread. It is not just for teams with lesser talent. Nobody is advocating we run the WSU full air raid, that is silly. But a spread team that runs the ball from the spread is what most of the successful teams are running nowadays. Pro-style is a dinosaur. It was a dinosaur when we hired CP, and it’s still a dinosaur. Lots of stuff online about why the spread is working in college if you want to do some internetting.
2. Pro-style is harder to execute. More precise route concepts. More complex blocking assignments. Harder to pick up blitzes from compact formations. You basically need a savant at QB.
3. Every offense runs bubble screens. One of the biggest complaints of Donovan at PSU by their fans was that all he did was run sweeps and bubble screens. You’re going to continue seeing bubble screens here.
4. There’s no evidence that Donovan is on the same planet of coaching ability as Kyle Shanahan. That was the hope if we were going pro, get someone from the 49ers or the Saints or the Chiefs. We went with an assistant to an assistant of the Jacksonville Jaguars, one of the worst and least creative offenses every year.
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